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The American Bouvier des Flandres Club

Identifying the Bouvier
in Shelters

Thanks to Pam Green for allowing us to use her article.  We hope this will help everyone to be able to identify the Bouvier des Flandres, and other similar breeds, in shelters and pounds everywhere.  We have added photos much like Pam describes in her article for the Bouvier des Flandres and the Giant Schnauzer.  We will add more as they are submitted.  Simply click on the link in the chart below for the various breed photos.

IDENTIFYING BOUVIERS AT THE POUND

Bouv versus other breeds with which it might be confused

by Pam Green , 2001

When a rescue person is called to the pound or shelter to identify or bail out a dog that might be of that person's adopted breed, there is always the question of whether or not the dog is actually that
breed or some other. Dogs that land in the pound are usually very neglected in their grooming and they may not be typically conformed specimens of their breed and they may not have been subjected to the ear and/or tail alterations specified by the standard for the breed. In short it is rare that they look like the photos in the breed books. And for some breeds there are certain others that look extremely similar even when the resemblance to the textbook specimen is perfect. For my breed, the Bouvier, there are several other very similar looking breeds plus more that could be confused with a really off type Bouv.

Below is a chart in which the "standard" or usual appearances are in plain type and the common alternatives are enclosed in parentheses. Truly distinguishing features are marked with an asterisk (*). Please remember that any breed which is supposed to be cropped eared may easily be left uncropped, ie natural eared; but breeds that are supposed to be natural eared will probably never appear cropped. It is still possible that a natural eared breed might appear with one ear mutilated or perhaps surgically trimmed after an injury. If the unfortunate dog has been in a drug dealer's possession, it is possible that ears have been hacked short with a pocket knife to make the
dog look fierce. Likewise for tails: docked breeds may appear natural tailed, but natural tailed breeds should not appear docked , though an individual might appear with a tail that has been amputated due to an injury, but amputation will usually leave a tail longer than the customary short dock. For sizes, in all breeds there will be those individuals markedly larger or smaller than the range commonly accepted as correct. For colors, those colors that are mentioned by the standard as forbidden or discouraged probably do occur from time to time. Likewise coat profusion and texture can vary a lot.

BREED EARS TAIL COLORS SIZE OTHER
Bouvier des Flandres Cropped
(Natural = hanging or naturally semi-erect)
Docked   (Natural) Black, Grey, or Fawn/buff (near white) 22" to 28" (larger or smaller) (Coat may be clipped, harsh & short)
Giant Schnauzer Cropped
(Natural)
Docked   (Natural) Black, Salt & Pepper Similar to Bouvier May be wire coat
Black Russian Natural* = Hanging Docked   (Natural) Black Larger than Bouvs, medium Very rare in most of USA
Briard Cropped  or Natural Natural* Any color but White Similar to Bouvier Double dewclaws on rear legs*
Old English Sheepdog Natural = Hanging Docked   (Natural) Grey, Greyish with white(*) on head chest, feet Similar to Bouvier
Standard Poodle Natural = Hanging Docked longer than the Bouvier Any color 22" - 26" Coat could look like Bouviers when unclipped and matted
Otterhound Natural, very long Natural, carried high Black, Grey, Yellow, Reddish 24" - 26"
Portuguese Water Dog Natural = Hanging Natural Black, Brown, White 16" - 22" Like smaller Bouvier
Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Natural = Hanging Docked longer than the Bouvier Wheaten About 18", 35 pounds
Puli Natural Natural Black, Grey, White 16" - 19" Coat corded = Controlled mats
Bearded Collie Natural Natural Black, Grey, Slate, Reddish sand, with white(*) head, chest, feet 21" - 22" Coat colors are streaky rather than solid
Kerry Blue Terrier Natural Docked "Dark Blue" = Blued grey 17" - 20"
Polish Owczark Nizinny Natural Docked Any color 16" - 20" European, rare in USA
Bergamasco Natural Natural Black, Grey, nearly White 22" - 24", 70-80 lbs European, very rare in USA
Bouvier des Ardennes Natural = Erect or semi Docked All colors About 24", about 55 lbs Very rare in Europe
Picardy Shepherd Natural = Erect Natural Grey, Grey-blue, Grey-Fawn 24" - 26", 60-70 lbs Very harsh coat, European
Pyrenean Shepherd Natural = Semi Erect Docked (??) Grey, Silver, White, Yellow 16" - 20", 45 lbs European

*Truly distinguishing features
( )"Standard" or usual appearances are in plain type and the common alternatives are enclosed in parentheses


In practical terms, the breeds most likely to be confused with the Bouvier are the Giant Schnauzer, the Briard, and the Black Russian. I absolutely cannot distinguish a Black Russian from a Bouvier
(i.e. natural eared but docked black Bouvier or larger than average size); however in most places in the USA Black Russians are absent or extremely rare. Many Giant Schnauzers are indistinguishable from Bouvier -- much of the difference we see in show dogs is due to clipping styles. The Briard IS distinguishable by the DOUBLE DEWCLAWS on the hindlegs; responsible breeders tell me that some individuals might have incomplete double dewclaws but would never have none at all -- which does not exclude possibility that several generations of puppy mill breeding might produce lack of rear dewclaws. For the Old English and the smaller Beardie, the usual pronounced white markings should distinguish them from Bouvier. A Standard Poodle in black or grey if left unclipped and long ungroomed might be mistaken for an ungroomed matted Bouv as the Poodle coat will matt and "cord" readily if left long enough. I suppose I might have also included the Komodor, always white (possibly very dirty) and corded. Otterhounds are fairly rare but might be mistaken for a fawn Bouv, though it does not seem highly likely; vice versa would perhaps be more likely. I have also listed several smaller breeds that conceivably could be confused with a small bouv, especially the Portuguese Water Dog and Kerry Blue. I have also listed some European breeds that should be very rare in the USA, so one should never see these at a pound or shelter. I have however seen what appeared to me to be a Picardy Shepherd = Bergere Picard on an episode of Star Trek Next Generation.

I suppose I should have included Scottish Deerhound and Irish Wolfhound on the chart. Guess I overlooked them because they seem to me to not be confusable with Bouv -- so much taller and so much leaner and sighthound figured, but people on the street often ask me if my bouv is a Wolfhound (and I don't mean Bones, who did look like he might have a IW granddad, but I mean typically stocky bouvs).

Please DO feel free to forward or cross-post this to anyone involved in rescue of any of the breeds considered as well as anyone in rescue of any bred whatsoever as it may inspire the to figure out a
corresponding chart for their own breed.


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